i was in the grocery store and someone called my name.
i turned around and it was a young ex jw sister who had been d/f several years ago.
i walked up to her and hugged her , said i havent seen her in so long, yadda yadda.
Yeah, but I never was a witness - it seems that witness still prefer to believe witnesses even if they're ex. It's not uncommon that they just don't like to hear the truth from never-witnesses.
But it seems I don't ever pursue practising witnesses - even at the door. Perhaps if they don't want to hear anything, why should I force them - not to say I don't rebuke them though, so I suppose that's a type of witness.
paduan
hello,am new at this so bear with me please.
i need any scriptures that any ex-witnesses can give to refute the idea of "knowledge leads to everlasting life".
need this asap before next meeting with them at my home.
Ironically, the very reason that the JWs are hell bent on "studying" the bible so much, with bible studies at home with 'new light' is because the truth is they don't know Him. " you search the scriptures but do not come to me " - and where is He? Well, the poor are blessed, broken and handed out - where do you think He is?
"and without Him was nothing made that Was made"
paduan
when i was an elder i recall reading a boe letter about a little booklet that could only be requested if there was a child custody case in your hall, a copy was not be be kept ,but only requested on a need only basis.
little did i realize what it actually contained, knowing personally a number of the folks who work on the legal desk it never dawned on me that they would say what they did, but being a society man i guess i would have merely viewed it as a theocratic move.
the watchtower society encourages lying!
Snakes have forked tongues - it's that simple.
joe alward .
the bible contradicts itself in the matter of punishing children for the sins of their fathers.
in one place is says that it is strictly forbidden, but in another the lord speaks of slaughtering sons for the sins of their forefathers, and in yet another place the lord orders the murder of suckling babes.
If the Bible-believer is forced to agree that some of the passages in the Bible are not literally true, then he has little defense against those who would argue that perhaps most of the stories about Jesus in the gospels are not literally true, either. That means that perhaps the "resurrection" was not a bodily resurrection, but merely a spiritual one. This is the argument that faces those who don't insist that the Bible be taken to be literally true in all of its parts.
Forced to agree to a non-literal truth? Who forces - those who make something fit anyway - makking a yes no and a no yes? Pushing for a literal understanding, generally after reading or hearing lots of scripture. "is it not the rich that oppress you" It is the business of goats to eat the food that was given to the sheep.
To move on, the "little defense" in terms of the proof that men require is not another 'error' - free will is sacred thing. You've already heard that "an evil generation seeks for a sign". It's everyone's perogative to deny the resurrection - and indeed it's everyone's perogative to decide whether it's an 'error' that it may be denied.
And the only "argument" to face is "which parts say what" but again why remains your choice. It's an individual thing "how you hear".
paduan
Edited by - a paduan on 13 October 2002 22:51:38
hello,am new here and have questions .
i need to know what the topic of knowledge leads to life is really about and if anyone can tell me scriptures that would be helpful to refute this.
have been studying with them for quite awhile and have visited the hall a couple of times.
I think that to jws the "knowledge leads to life" idea means stuff about learning religious things (according to the wt of course). And I think it's an idea entertained by them because of something Paul said - 'salvation is to know Him'.
But it isn't that like that - it's to know who He is - i.e. His Spirit - like when you meet someone that you just know is beautiful inside, somehow, but the most extreme case that you cannot even imagine. I don't know if someone can make you know this - He lets you know when He lets you know, you know. I will say though that with those who "know Him", there is a longing to leave, leave the body - go see Him where He is you know.
paduan
joe alward .
the bible contradicts itself in the matter of punishing children for the sins of their fathers.
in one place is says that it is strictly forbidden, but in another the lord speaks of slaughtering sons for the sins of their forefathers, and in yet another place the lord orders the murder of suckling babes.
What is it with the insistance on literal reading of spiritual teaching - in this day and age?
This snippet of a sermon is nearly a thousand years old - from a paduan.
I will destroy the name of Babylon, and the remains, and the bud, and the offspring. [Is 14.22]
The name of Babylon is the name of ownership- mine, yours. Christ destroyed not only this name, but the remains of ownership. And not only this, but the bud (the temptation to have things) and the offspring (the desire to possess).
paduan
many months ago i offered the "eye for an eye" conflict as evidence that the bible cannot be trusted to provide non-contradictory moral guidance.
since that time many new people have joined this forum, so i present this bible "difficulty" once again:.
scripture teaches that one should destroy one's enemies, and take an eye for an eye: "show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
Many errors have crept into the text for such reasons
What makes the "errors" errors? Literal / historical accuracy?
The "errors" are according to ideas of data collection for record keeping - those "errors" can only exist along side presumptions about "correct". "Inspired" is something else. Can people live in whales - yet Christ refers to Jonah - an error perhaps?
"take heed then how you hear, for to him who has more will be given"
paduan
Edited by - a paduan on 13 October 2002 8:17:23
never was a jw, and am fascinated by the demon stories .
can anyone verify that demons are currently/today talked about??
i guess they just sound dated, perhaps from growing up years, say 20 years ago?
I would have to consider that jws are experienced in being perturbed by demons.
for those of you who have an interest in jw history, and have studied it, what do you see as the similiarities and differences between russell and rutherford.
now, i am not looking for superficial answers like, they were both full of shit.
i am looking for some content here.
The self appointments -
they looked at the scriptures, and not seeing, they made their own stories up,
and they looked at the scriptures and not, seeing they made their own stories up,
then they looked at the scriptures not seeing they made their own stories up!
paduan
on my lunch break today i was eating at fuddruckers and watching cnn (wish they'd put on fox news instead) and see another sniper shooting in virginia.. well i got to thinking.
could this be terrorist activity?
could it be an al-qaeda terrorist cell?
Maybe he hates people and he's tired of 'waiting on jehovah'.
